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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
L.W.M.
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The problem I have with replying to trolls is the shear volume of reason and logic being wasted.
Theirs or ours? Just kidding... There are all kinds of trolls. The propaganda has to be responded to and shown for what it is but at some point further responses just feed into their dual role as provocateurs. I try to identify the source of the propaganda and cut to the issue that is being blurred and distorted. There are more links to Zionism and Nazism, (not surprisingly) than there are links to Islam and Nazism. There were more Jews in Germany than Arabs during the period. It appears some Zionists were willing to make a deal with the Devil (the Nazis) to get the promised land back. The evidence is there, the arguments are compelling and this scares the crap out of the militant Zionists and Likudniks. They should be scared. It's true there is anti-Zionist material that is anti-semitic propaganda. In some cases it's similar in nature to the anti-Zionist material that is not anti-semitic propaganda because that comes from Jews and Israelis who are arguably not anti-semites, no matter what rhetorical games you play. Noam Chomsky, Lenni Brenner, Norman Finkelstein, Ze'ev Maov and many others. This similarity is exploited but after awhile you can spot the difference. Just google: anti-Zionist Jews, there are quite a few of them. There are threats to peace that come from extremists within all three branches of the Abrahamic religions, Islam, Judaism and Christianity. I might have worded this differently and I'm not sure of the context yet but I like the point of the distinction this fellow is making:
The primary difference between a religious philosophy and a religion is the difference between a tool and a weapon: one is aimed at spiritual attainment, the other at spiritual domination. - Ben Tripp
I think this fellow, Vincenzo Olivetti, the author of Terror’s Source: The Ideology of Wahabi-Salafism and its Consequences, get's at the issue quite well in this article in Islamica Magazine, The Myth of "The Myth of Moderate Islam"
http://www.islamicamagazine.com/content/view/159/59/
It's an excellent article and demolishes the propaganda being disseminated that Islam is any different from the other two branches of Abrahamic religions. I'm always defending the saner voices of any faith, but I'm not a member of the club myself.
Watching you supposedly free-thinking, liberal people make all kinds of excuses for one religion or another is revolting. When both sides are willing to torture and kill each other over an invisible man in the sky and a bunch of slogans, when both unholy pyramid schemes have spent the past couple millenia lying and oppressing every poor idiot they could lay hands on, the hell with them.
I hope to see people of all religions more or less annihilate each other as soon as possible. Maybe once that's over with we can build a world on logic and human justice, as opposed to divine fiat as interpreted by child molesting, bigoted, misogynistic con-men. In the meantime, when 35% of muslims are okay with suicide bombings and 35% of christians are okay with torturing the same, what we should be talking about is teaching that 35% how to read and think so they can come to some wiser conclusions. Instead, it seems to be all about redefining one's terms and lowering one's expectations around here.
js
I understand your frustration but it also means 65% aren't okay with it. I think it's millenarianism (the end of the millenium?). Google it. It will all calm down in a few years.
Glenn... Furthermore, the Pew Poll from today itself revealed that 42% of American Christians -- 42% -- consider themselves "Christians first," not "Americans first." A very substantial portion of Christians, then, place allegiance to their religion above that of allegiance to the United States.
to take into account the fact that population growth is exponential, more people in the 20th century, more deaths. Then there is the small matter of the efficiency of weaponry the industrial revolution provided. People are no more murderous today than they were in the past. Probably less, and religion, or the lack of it, has nothing to do with it.
A lecture on Islam by Col. Lang at Saint Mary's in Feb.
http://tinyurl.com/2elxwt
I'm finally getting around to watching it now. It's well worth it, even if the audio could be better.
To a lesser extent than Kim-il-Sungism, Stalinism and Maoism certainly had elements of being state religions.
Or totalitarian ideologies, and some people view their religion as the same thing. Even Totalitarian democracy...
"...liberty can be made into a powerful instrument of domination. … Free election of masters does not abolish the masters or the slaves..."
--Marcuse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarian_democracy
And Czarist and Stalinist Russia, and Maoist China were privately owned states. I think you can say the same about North Korea.
Actually... it's you. And you only think you are a gorilla. It's your own sense of self-importance. More of an organ grinder's monkey. Cute little oufit. Love the hat.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Salon headlines in your mailbox
