I hope Paul D. takes a look around over there. I didn't mean to jump on him, I just find it like fingers on a blackboard when people compare FDR and the New Deal to anything other than what it was, good old American liberal democracy.

It's like hearing people compare Georgist economics to socialism. Even William F. Buckley, Jr. (a Georgist himself) laughs at that. You might as well call Churchill a socialist. He was a Georgist, too. Henry George was as American as apple pie and Mark Twain, (another Georgist). The same forces that put Henry George's ideas down the memory hole are at work on FDR and The New Deal. As Atrios says, "These are bad people."

I see where you are coming from, Jojo. Paul's last comment and your last one are quite clear. We are in agreement. And I wonder about it myself. It would make sense, if you were a Jeremiah Johnson living alone high up in the Rocky Mountains trapping and fighting savages.

"And it's the very "philosophism" of libertarianism"

As it is...the American Libertarian party was birthed in a suburban living room in the 70's over cocktails, so that has to tell you something. It's a kind of cult, like Scientology, or the Church of the Subgenius.

None of us would ever call you a concern troll. I have long been aware of your views. I respect them. I disagree with them. I may be inclined to see them as misguided. I respect Mona's views and she is a lot farther to the right than you are. If I was a CEO of a company, I might view things differently but I never wanted to grow up to be a CEO of a company. How does that happen, anyway? Is there some toy from Hasbro I missed?

You really would be surrounded, you poor centrist moderate, you.

I am hearing more and more people talk about Gödel these days. Not something you will catch on Cable news, however. I doubt he has even been mentioned on PBS much. I wish someone would try to do that soon, Nova, PBS. String Theory is fun and all, but...

I suppose these things take time to filter down. At least they have managed to translate Douglas Hofstadter's GEB into other languages finally.

"And how can anyone legitimately argue against fairness???"

They make careers out it. In fact, I think it's something all bullies learn on the playground.

"Please! The Church of the Subgenius is much more sane than the other two."

I can never tell if this a gag. Can you?

http://members.aol.com/exposebob/exposebob.html

It's still hilarious.

When we spend months wondering about which of Anna Nicole's babies is Gödel's, it will be fast enough and Gödel will have finally arrived.

Catfood... I don't have much to add, I just appreciate that there are others who care about Georgism.

Have you seen http://www.progress.org?

I should really call it LVT (Land Value Taxation) but I like to refer to old Henry George. And yes I have seen that and much more. I like to read through The School of Cooperative Individualism site, that's where I discovered WFB, Jr is a Georgist. They argue, and I agree, that Thomas Paine was the American origin of this thinking, Franklin and Jefferson, too:

http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/index2.html

Karen M.... "Giving people what (they say) they want..."

...is how Detroit came up with the Edsel. Or, so I've read.

Some might argue that Tucker tried to give the people what they wanted, and Detroit put a stop to that and gave us the Edsel instead.

http://www.tuckerclub.org/index.php

DCLaw1... Why should our evil government interfere with this great success and entrepreneurism?

On The Take: From Petty Crooks to Presidents

http://www.amazon.com/Take-Petty-Crooks-Presidents/dp/0253342449

If you can find a copy, read it. If all my college texts were written like this, we'd all have Ph.D.s

http://www.criminology.fsu.edu/crimtheory/chambliss.htm

The last link, but it gives you an idea of Chambliss' work. It's not easy to find Chambliss on the net. Easier if you google conflict theory. But if you have read Herbert Packer's The Limits of the Criminal Sanction (not an easy or fun book to read but definitely important) and have looked at the sociological phenomenon of deviance as a control mechanism, it's impossible to find much fault with many Prof. Chambliss' conclusions.

He's at GWU now.

http://www.gwu.edu/~chamblis/home/main.html