The torture-fetishists really came out in force for this letters column.

@Groenhagen

Please stop. You're just spewing a bunch of made-up crap that has no basis in reality. Most of what you're saying didn't happen. Hayek and Goldberg have no credibility and you clearly don't understand history, the definition of Fascism or recent history. Limbaugh is indeed pro-fascism. Everything else you've talked about is just lies by the Right Wing to try and excuse what they're guilty of.

Clinton's tried to hit al Quaeda, but the Republicans stopped him whenever they could.

@terkoy

Yes, we get it. You love torture and to see others harmed from the comfort of your living room. Now shut up and go back to masturbating to pictures of women stepping on bugs.

@danielmparker

In my opinion, any President would have reacted as did W

What part? The invasion of Afghanistan after they refused to turn over the criminals? Probably. Everything else? probably not. From torture to the lies and the invasion of Iraq to sitting stunned, continuing to read to kids 'cause he had no idea what to do were all completely unlike what any of the presidents you listed would have done.

@The Comedian

Oh good, another low-level, "say what Rush tells me" conservative here to blather on about how he once saw a John Wayne movie. You do understand that The Comedian in Watchmen was there to show the brutality and banality of evil in those who consider themselves heroes, but become what they're fighting, no? Probably not, that's much too complicated for you. You spew words like "traitor" without understanding what it means. Your ilk are the ones trying to destroy what this nation stands for so you can have your petty power fantasies. Go meet up with terkoy for your circle jerks and leave governing to the sane people.

It is possible to make a reasonable comparison of the Bush administration to the Nazis as they existed in 1940. Many likely make a more blanket comparison because they don't feel the need for nuance and have few other readily understood historical comparisons.

There will be no green revolution in energy or anything else.

Other than bland ignorance, what does he base this statement on?

Oh please. You have no facts to back up anything you say, ever. And "foul language"? If you call what I say in my posts "foul language" you've lived a very sheltered life and for that matter, don't appear to read your own entries.

Attack the person instead of the facts that cannot be refuted seems to be a favorite tactic on the part of many who visit this website.

Wow, I hope you're ready to have this quote thrown back in your face on a daily basis.

So are you also someone that tried to claim evolution isn't real?

Wallow in my hate of ignorance and intolerance? Why in the world should I be tolerant of intolerance?

My children are adults now, my daughter knew we loved her, and had no problem telling us she was gay. She knew the kind of people we are.

Past tense?

Look, she may have known that personally you have no problem with it because she's your daughter, but you still want to keep kids from being told she's a decent human being. You want to ensure other people can be taught to hate your daughter. It is akin to saying "Well, it is fine for my daugher to marry this particular black man, but he's not one of them shiftless niggers".

You are the type of person that stops the discussion, who slows down progress, and is to filled with hate to even know it.

When it comes down to "I want to discriminate against these people, you don't want me to, how about we compromise and I'll only discriminate a little" there's really no discussion to be had. You're the one trying to stand in the way of actual progress with your red herrings and pretend tolerance.

You may say you love your daughter, but you're working hard to keep her a second class citizen and to ensure other people think it is ok to hate her for who she is.

You say I'm full of hate, but I'm the one saying your daughter is a human being and deserves to be viewed as one.

You apparently missed my post explaining I was a parent of a gay child, who wants the same things for her as my other two children

Nope, I saw it. And then you went on to show you had no idea what you were talking about. You want to be able to keep your other kids from learning in school that your gay child is a normal person. You want them to know there's something wrong with her, something so bad that other kids should never even hear about it.

It is you who did not do your homework, it is you who does not understand how laws will be used (and already have been) in ways not intended

Sorry, you're wrong again. I've looked at many of these cases and the law is being used exactly how it was intended, it is protecting people from discrimination.

otherwise you would know that schools often tramble on parental righhts - it is the norm, not the exception

Sorry, but they simply don't. You're just making things up here. Or are you complaining that your children are being taught not to hate people and that evolution is scientific fact?

Sadly, you are still free to teach them hate at home and to like to them about science. But don't expect publicly funded schools to spread your ignorance for you.

You need to check your facts

That's rich coming from you. You've gotten every point wrong that you've brought up so far.

might look at what MA is doing with parental rights.

I know what MA is doing with parental rights. The answer? Not a damn thing.

rights of parents (schools), churches (beliefs).

Nothing about gay marriage where it has been enacted or proposed strips any parents of rights in schools or churches of their beliefs. You're all free to be hateful, bigoted bastards. The only times it comes up is when they specifically decide to deny something to someone based on thier being homosexual that they would not deny to anyone else for any other reason.

Is X only available to members of your church, members you get to choose? Then fine, you can all live in your delusions together. Open it to the public at large and say "no gays allowed" and there's a problem.