Jeebus. How long before someone with a little clout and credibility says "wrong question, wrong answer"? How long?

Because this bullshit is just that. It's all bullshit.

Maybe Obama is simply calling Clinton out on an obvious pander. Maybe Obama pandered himself. There's a big, fat surprise. Does Mr. Frost think we all fell out of a vegetable truck yesterday? Jeebus.

Of *course* Obama has pandered in his career. How could he not? He knows a pander when he hears it, and just as Clinton is being a hack opportunist, Obama is calling her on it.

Even if Frost's analysis is largely correct (and I'll take leave to be dubious), the entire discussion makes my teeth hurt.

We're facing the end of oil. The end of cheap oil first, then the end of oil period. And soon. In most of our lifetimes. Most boomers will be in their dotage at the exact moment the bill really comes due, and a century of partying is followed by a tortured, violent hangover. If we're lucky, that's all it'll be. If we're unlucky....die-off.

And all our candidates can talk about is some fucking cents-on-the-gallon gas tax! Christ almighty. What is WRONG with everyone? Other than an addiction to pandering and/or grotesque ignorance about our actual situation.

I am so sick of this shit. Even if Obama engaged in the same pander 8 years ago, I'm glad he's calling Clinton out on this one. Even if he is, in his way, being as opportunistic as she is.

Lifting the gas tax for the Summer is not going to help. Even if Frost is right. It's like putting sand-bags up in front of your beach-front home as the water recedes before a 100-foot tsunami. It's bullshit.

and I am tired to death of this kind of bullshit. Just tired to death. And the fact that our MSM is shoveling it as fast as the candidates are just makes things worse.

I think the thing that bugs me the most is how obvious it is that Clinton and McCain are certain we are all a bunch of idiots. Barely sentient enough to tie our shoes. The savage contempt they show in their public statements to the Voters is enough to burn your eyes and induce nausea.

At least Obama doesn't display this level of cynical contempt. Maybe he feels it, but he hides it better.

Salon, you need to get Jay Hanson to write an essay for you. On the topic of fossil-fuels, yeast-population-curves, and die-off. It would be a suitable antidote to this pollyanna shit from guys like Frost.

www.dieoff.org

www.warsocialism.com

I'll vote for Hillary in the Fall if she's the candidate. But I'll do it holding my nose, knowing that McCain would be worse. Far worse.

But the fact that Clinton can say these things is very disturbing. Will she EVER tell the public the truth about peak-oil? Ever?

Because if there were ever a time to attempt to cushion what is almost certain to be a very long, very ugly fall, it's March 2009, when we should begin a crash program like the Apollo Program, or the Manhattan Project, to stop using 70% of our fossil fuel purchases by burning it up in 20%-efficient heat-engines..otherwise known as cars. We could do something meaningful, but it would mean mobilizing the entire country against the vested interestes of the auto industry, the oil industry, the mining industries, and god-knows-who-else.

Is Clinton ready for that? Is Obama? We know McCain doesn't give a shit about any of this, if he even knows about it. He won't do anything. He'll just make the fall that much longer, steeper, and faster.

It's time for some truth-telling after 20 years of GOP bullshit. Will we get any? I'm not holding my breath.

...where in hell are Gordon's editors? They have as much responsibility for this shameless propaganda exercise as he does.

Seems to me the editors at the Times should be asked why they publish this crap. Gordon's stuff wouldn't see the light of day without an editor saying ok.

I think it's wrong to stop so low on the Times food-chain. I'd like to know who's approving this crap, and why.

...has simply lost his mind. There's no other explanation.

..not-so-admirable stand on the gas tax? It's not not-so-admirable, Joan. It's worse than that. It's profoundly contemptible. It's the most rank pandering. She knows it, you know it.

She not only shows contempt for the facts, she shows utter contempt for the low-information voters she's trying to manipulate in Indiana. This was nothing more and nothing less than grotesque pandering for votes, from people too ignorant to actually understand what she's talking about.

And we want her for President?

I have to tell you, this particular episode did it for me. If I have to vote for her in November, I will do it with my nose held firmly shut. She stinks of mendacity.

Hillary's behavior this week displayed everything that's wrong with our current leadership. When a leader will lie for votes...for power (common enough, granted), are they really fit to lead?

Obama is no saint, I'm sure, but at least he resists the most obvious pandering. Hillary revels in it, apparently.