"...In actuality, perhaps...in fact, most likely...HOWEVER, it was ALSO directed at OTHERS who also said the same thing. There were some people who said as much right to the General. Hillary Clinton came close herself...which is probably why she voted against the resolution. So do you not think this was directed at her as well? But it was probably directed MOSTLY at Moveon.

But again, Moveon was NOT specifically mentioned."

True enough, but let me tell you a hypothetical little story-

A week after I opened a night club in Brooklyn, a couple of rotund gentlemen with last names ending in vowels and wearing greasy pinky rings came in right before closing time and offered to sell me an insurance policy. Having already signed on with my friendly State Farm agent, I politely declined. The two gentlemen smiled, thanked me for my time, and walked towards the door. One of them turned back towards me and said, "Ya know... dis is a real nice place ya got heah-would be a shame if anything happened to it... ya neva know, right? "Riiight!," said his sidekick."

I sent MoveOn $100.00 today, and I rarely contribute. OK- they can be a little shrill sometimes, but the Republican operatives are just upset because MoveOn is starting to use heavier-handed tactics now. I hope they use my money to give them bigger and bigger dosages of their own piss! The great shame is that I have to depend on MoveOn to feel represented, instead of our erstwhile congress people. Makes me wanna holler!

"...Wish reporters and academics would insist on making such a display of Bush. Oh, right. Bush would NEVER face the public like this. It's kind of excruciating to realize that this pariah has more guts than the US president. Arrrgggh."

YES!! Exactly what I thought as I read Bollinger's questions. Thanks for beating me to the punch. Damn you!!

A little more than a year ago, this very attractive and talented woman (40-something) met me (40-something) at a party. It soon became clear to me that she was showing me a great deal of interest. (As I found out later) she was determined to get to know me, and she wasn't shy about it. More pursuit, we go out. Sparks fly, we fall in love and get married less than a year later. The kicker? Up until that point, I was dating men.

So far, so good for us!!

So, attractive 30-something lady- listen to Cary and go for what you want!!

(I swear, this is all true!)

You make some excellent points here, Laurel-

I do think there are several issues at play here...

I interpreted Cary's advice as meaning mostly that it was OK for her to take the initiative instead of standing around waiting to be noticed. One can do that anywhere- which is a whole different issue. Indeed, that is what happened to me (see my previous post)

I have never resorted to the "bar scene", and my personal experience with online dating had been dismal, to say the least.

I strongly believe that one can significantly improve their chances of finding a mate if they are socially active in as many areas as possible- provided that each area is genuinely consistent with their values and interests(very important!) I met my wife at a party thrown by mutual friends. My wife reacted favorably to the way I interacted with said friends, and to the way they reacted to me. Also, each of us (independently) relied on our friends to vouch for the other's character. Because my wife and I both have a great deal of respect for our friends, we went into the relationship very confident that we knew much more about each other than we otherwise would have, and managed to skip a great deal of the "getting to know each other" phase.

Go out there and get involved- my friends, my wife and I all share many things in common, and came into each other's social orbits precisely because of the things we had in common- We would have been involved in these things whether or not we were actively looking for a mate.

Best of luck to all of you who are looking!