No doubt she does have a set, but I seriously question if Obama has...I really don't give a rat's ass what economists think about the gax tax issue...the scribblings and bloviating of ivory-towered geeks speculating about the right and wrong of Hillary's position matters not a wit to people hurting badly right now...so it's a quick fix...whatever! Does anyone know how long it would take to right the increasing gas prices in the world? As long as India and China are voracious consumers of energy, nothing will change.

Hillary did take on Bill, and she did a damn good job of it...I think he respected her for showing up and going toe to toe with him without engaging in his trademark bullying tactics...Obama did a lousy job on Chris Wallace...he falls flat one on one...I thought he was positively sleep inducing on Russert today, trotting out pat answers and rehashing tired talking points...

Hillary's tactic on Fox is not new...people in NY know that she reached out to voters who would never think of casting a ballot for her in solidly red upstate New York, where saying the word "New York City" is cause for gnashing of teeth...when she ran for the Senate a second time, these upstaters gave her margins not seen by Dems in years. Obama has not made a sincere attempt to reach out to solidly red voters, although he talks a good game and pretends to want to unite both sides of the aisle...in the Senate, Obama has made little attempt to work with the Republicans, another sign that his rhetoric belies his actions, a point his followers ignore.

Your dismissal of the tactics that won the Republicans every election except two since 1980 is so full of holes, where is one to begin? It may be clever to call the methods repellent and other similarly accusatory terms, but the fact is the Dems lost because they were clueless about why impressions matter in Presidential elections. This happens over and over, as people like you try to intellectualize the debate and think that people will never succumb to such superficialities or seemingly meaningless symbols. The flag pin debate: on its face, laughably ridiculous...but whereas Hillary wearing it doesn't matter because she is a KNOWN entity and Obama is not...is this guy a foreigner? The same logic is behind the Osama/Hussein epithet, which played into people's fears that he is the "other"...with the Reverend Wright contretemps, once more we delve into Obama's otherness, in having truck with a man whose ideas are so far out of the mainstream they aren't even worthy of arguing for.

When JFK appeared on TV in a debate with Nixon in 1960, Nixon looked shifty-eyed, nervous, where Kennedy seemd self-assured...the logic behind people's reaction was purely superficial...that is why the Republican ploy of pointing out seemingly absurd issues surrounding Obama are what shape opinions much more than Obama opposing the gas tax(grandstanding vs. pandering--guess which will win out?), repeating his mantra of hope and change without offering concrete proposals to do both, or fighting off charges he is another politician (from his own ex-pastor, no less) when evidence shows he is very much what he claims he is not (Obama owes his whole political campaign to the sleaziest of Chicago politicos that are far more shady than any Bill or Hillary dealt with, not to mention his shameless purchasing of superdelegates such as Claire McCaskill for 10K).

This is the disease that Obama shills like yourself suffer from: you assume that the campaign will be elevated into some grandiose vision of idyllic argument, which, from the history of American politics, is just not plausible.

Morris Shepherd pontificated:

Just look at the way Joan Walsh, of this magazine, praises Hillary for using those exact Republican tactics, lies, distortion of issues and petty personality based attacks. She thinks that's "strength."

I think it's despicable.

No one hung Obama out except himself on Obama...when he chose to take the "high road" on Bosnia his surrogates on the web like Arianna Huffington or BFF Keith Olbermann took up the clarion call of sniping, smearing, name calling and nastiness he claimed he wouldn't do...sort of like how Bush remained above the fray when his campaign smeared Kerry or McCain...not buying this bullshit that Obama is keeping it clean for one minute. The spin is over for Obama...too many people see him for the phony he is.

Obama WRONG???

Quelle surprise!!!!

My Mother, even when she was beginning to suffer from advance stages of senility, was sharp enough to say if I had The View on, "I can't stand that women's voice! Turn her off!!!"...responding to another commenter:

The program isn't aimed at me but I like to imagine the women it is aimed at have higher standards. Correct me if I'm wrong.

-- TomG76

No, it isn't aimed at you...so don't be too concerned about its standards...

Not surprising, but remove the context of Obama, for no one cares what he thinks in this matter.

Obviously an Obama plant...these people who stop at nothing...that's why they will lose in November!!!

We know Hillary has a long memory, as does Bill...there will be scores to settle for all those who played Benedict Arnold/Judas, and it won't be pretty...I have no sympathy for whatever happens to those who jumped ship on her...

Bob in Pacifica wrote:

Why are we still talking about Hillary Clinton?

Oh yeah, this is Salon.

Maybe because 47% of those voting for the two nominees went with Hillary? Maybe because women, who make up more than half the electorate, voted for her overwhelmingly in every contest??? Might that be a reason???