You wingnuts don't seem to know much about Democrats. I am definitely in the left wing of the Dems, and Hilary is NOT one of us nor was Bill. They are DLC centrists, considerably to the right of both Kerry and Gore and not at all supported by the left. Warner's views and Hilary's on most issues are hardly different.

I am also 60, never befuddled and I heard a variant of this expression (Don't shine me on) fairly often when I was young. I don't know the etiology of the expression, but I grew up in the Detroit suburbs in the 50s and 60s, and use of the variant was fairly common. I went to Brown University which, while small, mostly white and mostly upper middle class, was quite diverse geographically. I heard the variant there a few times mostly from kids from Chicago, Milwaukee, etc.

This is not some recent issue that involves just Bush and his pathetic henchmen. We have been total hypocrites about nucleur proliferation for a long time. Non-proliferation means no nukes - it doesn't mean it's OK for some but not for others. Israel's possession of nucleur weapons is just as criminal and just as dangerous as possession of such weapons by Iran, but we gave Israeli weapons just a wink and a nod. Moreover, Israel aided and abetted development of nucleur weapons by the apartheid government of South Africa - again a wink and a nod. We did nothing about nucleur weapons in India and Pakistan. Then, Saddam Hussein used phosgene, mustard gas and Sarin against Iran during his invasion of Iran, and we did another wink and nod.

This is not about a couple of countries - this is about our entire policy regarding WMD and it needs to be applied uniformly to all countries.

Sardinia is not in southern Italy. It is an island almost due west of Rome. Have you ever actually been there?

Yes, there are some thoughtful evangelical Christians. I've met some. I've even met some evangelical environmentalists. Very interesting people. BUT, every single one of them wanted to impose their religion on me and my family - every single one. There are no grounds even for civility to people who wish to impose their superstitious claptrap on me. I don't care what they believe - I certainly have no desire to convert anyone to my brand of atheism - but they need to keep their crap out of my life and away from my family. AND, off our money, out of the Pledge, etc.

By most standards these days, I'm on the far left, and I know not a single person who doesn't believe that there is significant danger from Islamic jihadists. What you call the 'far left' is 50% of the Democratic Party. We oppose the war in Iraq, because it has nothing whatever to do with terrorism or jihadists other than to create a greater danger from them. We oppose torture, indefinite detention without judicial review, 'renditions', support for any dictator, feed the rich economics, etc. I will not vote for DINOs ever again no matter what the cost. Jettison us at your own risk.

Any state that produces people like Molly Ivins can't be all bad.

I see this nonsense posted in Saalon now and then - limousine liberals, trust fund radicals, etc. Does anyone know who these limo and trust fund types are? Have you met any? I know a lot of liberals, but I don't know any with limos or trust funds. I know a fair number of right wingers with limos and trust funds - but even those are mostly holdovers from my days at Brown. I knew Charles Schwab when I worked there, but he's an ultra right winger. So, who are these alleged people?

Anyone who sends a death threat based on anything to do with any sporting event should be hung in public. Sick, sick, sick

Organic and sustainable do NOT mean the same thing. Organic means not using pesticides, fungicides, herbicides and chemical fertilizers in the production of food. Sustainable means not depleting one set of resources to produce food in a way that means the consumed resource will eventually not be available. Organic farming should be sutainable, but it isn't always. Most of the organic rice grown in the U.S., for example, relies on heavily subsidized water created by severe environmental degradation. Agricultural use of water in the WEST under current practices, organic or otherwise, is not sustainable.