Rosenkavalier: "I haven't seen anything as hateful or nasty from Clinton supporters as I have from Obama supporters, at least not here at Salon. (I'm sure they exist somewhere but nowhere that I have seen them.)"

Hutman "Well go read the posts from Cythera45 and the Notorious W.E.S. for starters... I don't want to play a game of who's worse, but it seems a lot worse on the Clinton side from my perspective. I do think the more obnoxiously negative Obama supporters should show some restraint".

Good evening, I thought I would butt in for a sec. Hutman, I view W.E.S. as someome practicing their craft, it's just his James Dean/Marlon Brando schtick. Sometimes it's really funny, though often obnoxious. No comment on Cythera45 except that I acknowledge the depth of her passion.

RosenKavelier, I have some samples for you from pro-Hillary posters on Salon that I think are somewhat over the top:

[...] tomorrow I hear you guys have the lead on the Messiah's big juicy dick story...thanks Salon, it's been great getting the unbiased views from you guys. Sure can trust you...noooooo...not like CNN or MSNBC...you guys aren't sexist...your female writers don't hate themselves like the feminists against Hillary or anything...you guys are different...right? right? right? You all need therapy.

She's the typical post pubescent teen who didn't quite understand that there is more to helping a campaign than slobbering when you see your candidate. This is typical of Obama's cult members...those who are too young or rich or male to know what it really means to work your butt off in this country, take punches for it, and keep going...Obama hasn't proven that he can do this either, so it is no wonder these types are attracted to him.

Maybe you have a real life, and aren't reading enough letters....

My main point is both sides should chill and stop thinking that's just the other side that sucks.

I have seen the light and gone over to the Obama side!

Is it the light at the end of the tunnel, or an oncoming freight train, that's what I always want to know.

Seriously, if you want to disappate your time and considerable skill dispatching fools and idiots, go ahead. I'll watch.

I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side, if you undertand me:--Treebeard

Sooner or later, I rub everybody the wrong way--Jack Burton

Dmagnificent must be the shit. I'd better go read the posts. Hope I got the attributions correct. I don't want to get into trouble with the writers guild, the Ents or David Lo Pan.

I'm willing to be educated, if you would but reply. I feel the lure of your shiny pearls of wisdom.

First, it's considered bad campaign etiquette to praise the opposition candidate over your opponent(s) in the same party.

Second, it's a fact that some presidents make a bigger impact than others. To be aware of that fact, to study it and to try and replicate it is a good thing IM!HO. That doesn't mean you agree with the policy. Reagan was the dude that really accelerated the shift of public thinking towards the right. He helped set forces in motion that are still playing themselves out. The silver lining to the Bush 43 years is that it is such a disaster that it provides a big opening for reversing those forces.

But, boy can she write! That's sexy.

Even with or without the shoes, pads and other accoutrement.

AKA Smith told us that we should all be on the look out for shiny things, so I thought pearls of wisdom would be a good place to start.

And surely you aren't too modest to accept the description of "civil?" Well maybe most of the time. And I am interested in details of what people have to say. Might accidently learn something. [...] that wouldn't be any fun, nor coherent with my rigid stubborn views.Agreed.

Reading Salons letter is like panning for gold. Every once in awhile you find a gold nugget, but it's mostly sand (its that shiny metaphor again! Curse you Smith!). You've inspired me to re-read Adlai's book. Now there's a vision! Probably 80% B.S. but a vision none the less. And we are the stuff of myths, after all.

I have to go now. I am going to watch "Bridget Jones" lust after Hugh Grant and settle for Colin Firth while I eat ice cream out of the carton. I used to know what Jane Austen novel some of that plot was borrowed from but right in the middle of this thread, my memory began to go ... I have a feeling that by tomorrow I won't recall who wrote For Whom the Bells Toll.

Now life imitates art and comedy falls into self-parody.

It was Hemmingway. Sad and powerful.