That was the most well-put and succinct description our relationship with the Clintons I've red here in a long time. Red Star, peeps!!!

I loved the Clintons, but starting with their 2000 heir apparent (I was a Bradley man) to their behind the scenes torpedoing of Dean in 2004 (I was a Clark man - Hillary could have run and won in 2004, but her triangulating mind would let her believe she had a chance) to the ego-driven mess of this year, I can no longer support this family. They've been more opprobrious than an abusive spouse, still not realizing what everyone else has come to see: that they need to get help - go away and re-think their priorities and what they are doing to their party, all under the banner of "love" and "compassion".

Maybe Chelsea will break the cycle, if she learns from her parents' mistakes and gets there on her own merits instead of her husband's coattails (her snooty performance when a Clinton supporter had the unmitigated gall to bring up Lewinsky leaves me with some doubts).

Um, Cheney...

Opinions on a discussion board? How novel!

"And keep in mind that she only made these statements after Obama had the 'audacity' to compare himself to MLK, a man he never knew."

Apparently you're naive enough to believe Obama ever compared himself to MLK. Many in the media have (right or wrongly) but that is how the media works - they need a base of comparison to start - think Kobe comparisons to MJ.

I challenge anyone here to find a direct quote where Obama says that he is the second coming of MLK (or words to that effect). Its a specious and disingenuous comparison, and dare I say, if Obama turns out to be the President I think he can be, future African Americans in politics will be hailed as "The next Barack Obama".

1. Point Blank: Nice truncation of the quote. How very Fox News of you. Here's a link of the full quote so people can judge for themselves: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-says-no-to-foreign_b_95357.html

More relevant quote: "When Senator Clinton brags 'I've met leaders from eighty countries'--I know what those trips are like! I've been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There's a group of children who do native dance. You meet with the CIA station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of a plant that [with] the assistance of USAID has started something. And then--you go."

2. Both sides need to stop with the "polls show" bull. With 7 months to go? Are you kidding me? Seven months to go in 2004, Kerry was polling 20+ behind Bush - come the first week of Nov. we got within 10,000 votes of defeating the SOB. Obviously we don't need to rehash how close we were in 2000. This might be another close election but its not going to be a Republican landslide...

3. I have taken it upon myself to respond to every person who emails/talks to me about the "hand over the heart" BS (in all its various incarnations). You'd be surprised how many people are pleasantly proven wrong on this issue - the majority of us Democrats want to believe the best of our candidates. At least the majority of us not posting to these boards.

4. While we're keeping track: Shawn, we've got you down for Hillary +15% - you will be reminded of this # later if it turns out to be untrue. Anybody else want to put their money where their online mouth is? Wes? You've been hedging recently, down from a double-digits Hillary win a few weeks ago to single digits, right?

5. South Carolina, meanwhile, hold steady for Obama @ +10...

Chris Matthews thinks Orange Juice is a "weird drink".

http://mediamatters.org/items/200804110004

Let's call it "Jim Code" laws! Half of HRC's base would be gone..

..talk to Canada about their "NAFTA rhetoric"?

But only one is generally acknowledged by the MSM. I'm so sick of FOX bashing - I mean, are you really surprised that the Weekly World News of cable broadcasts crap like this?

That sums up exactly how I feel about the anti-abortion voters who, if asked, have absolutely no idea how abortion is still legal after 6 years of Republican dominance over our nation's lawmaking abilities...

You're being played for suckers by people who only want/need you every 2 years in November!

...Obama's mother is from Kansas! So he might actually be aware of what IS wrong with Kansas...

"To judge from Obama's several statements on the subject, he sincerely believes that working-class whites, lacking the self-awareness to recognize the actual economic origins of their distress, seek relief from their pain by praying in church, slaughtering deer, and making illegal immigrants and imports from foreign countries scapegoats for ills that have nothing to do with immigration or trade."

Or he believes that working-class whites, seeing no possible way they can have any real say in the governmental processes by which their economic distress may be relieved, vote their conscious on issues that can at least make them feel good about their individual morals.

Or as one of my Republican friends might say: "Nobody in Washington gives a lick about me, might as well do the right thing and vote for somebody who promises to ban abortion (religion) or not to violate my civil rights (guns)!"

Obama is saying "Just this once, let's try it a different way: 6 years of Republican rule not only didn't produce a promised ban on abortion, you're also doing much worse financially because they didn't fulfill those campaign promises either. Maybe its because the GOP doesn't really care about any of those issues after all? Democrats at least believe in their economic promises AND try to enact them when elected!" Why is that concept elitist?

Obama's 2 major "gaffes" involve white people who are offended by the insinuation that they are "bitter" and a Black Preacher who sounded too bitter.

Just a thought..