Thus you right wing worshippers of the idiotic and cowardly Bush Jr. and his regime can get off of this "the warnings weren't specific enough" because there is ZERO EVIDENCE that Bush Jr. and crew responded specifically, unspecifically, indirectly, directly, or generally to the warnings they did have.-- El Cid

I refer you to my reply to kitt, and add this photocopy of the PDB.....
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb2.html

Needless to say you are not only so inane as to blame someone for inaction without actually saying what SHOULD have been done, you are also too LAZY to do your homework and note the 70(seventy, that's seven, zero,) investigations ongoing.

Better trolls please.

I mean, remember, Bush saw the first tower burning before he went in to read "My Pet Goat." Even then it just didn't register that here was something that he ought to do something about. Just like Katrina, too, of course.-- Paul Rosenberg

I have to wonder if you are one of the hordes that lambasted Bush for the recent measures to take over disaster management. I hope not, because then this post would make you look real foolish.

Personally I think disaster management should remain local for obvious reasons, but then people like you wouldn't have someone else to blame for Dem failures. That would be a true catastrophe for the ineffectual. This definitely comes under "Be careful what you wish for.....heh.
http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_107907.asp

LOL. Considering the sheer volume of hard hitting investigative journalism about Bush, where is the hard hitting journalism about Bill, Hillary, Nancy, Harry, and "Cold Cash" Jefferson? Anything about Plame's apparent perjury? How about everybody's favorite French liberal Chirac?

(Crickets)

As always, IOKIYAD

And yes, the media has grossly failed the American public, but by this point we should have found enough to be out in the streets chanting for an impeachment. -- Hume's Ghost

So, back to what I was saying: In other words, Bush and his administration's excuse of being pilloried by those who are using hindsight won't fly. He and his administration just simply fucked up by doing absolutely nothing at all.-- Kitt

LOL. I asked you specifically what it was you think Bush should have done and you STILL haven't answered. That puts you on par with a yapping dog chasing a car down the street... a lot of noise, with no clue what to do, should the car be caught.

Come back when you have something to contribute besides noise.

And deservedly so. Perhaps you folks should consider that putting up a pompous rich blowhard was not the best idea. Especially one with a dubious injury record in the war, who famously denounced his fellow soldiers in public. Come to think of it, pompous rich blowhard well describes Gore as well. Who knew that the left would be enamored of pompous rich blowhards? I thought you guys were populists?

P.S. to IngSoc.... Insults are all you have to offer? Tsk.

This is just silly. All Bush had to do was anything, and he would have been less culpable.

Anything? Like what exactly? You don't know? You have no clue? Even after the fact, with all the analysis and history laid out? And yet you demand that Bush should have done "something" that you cannot articulate even with the benefit of hindsight?

Given that you can't come up with anything at all even with all the advantages of historical perspective makes my point that Bush had no avenue to pursue. Moreover, it cements the fact you folks aren't interested in real world solutions, just political points at the expense of someone else.

That makes you and Kitt mean, self-involved, little men, whose sole ability in life is to blame others for what you, yourselves, are incapable of, even with all the advantages. Sad, sad, little men.

Shooter, you just cannot be f'ing serious. Not about that so called point, and not about calling us sad little men just because we don't waste our fingers giving you a 007 plan for defeating bin laden's evil plans.

I didn't ask for a 007 magic plan, I asked for some concrete thing that Bush should have done differently after getting the PDB. And here you are all pissed off because you can't. A reasonable person would admit that the PDB didn't offer anything actionable. But then you aren't reasonable, just another victim of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

You are becoming more and more of what I think of as parody troll.-- Kitt

Falling back into insult mode just makes my point.

Bush Jr. could have held one, just one meeting, where it is on record that he and the actual experts who had been issuing a flood of warnings on terrorism met and discussed the leads they were following and possible precautionary security responses.
Anything.
Reality shows the opposite. Concerned figures were turned away, budgets slashed, meetings avoided.
Anything. VS. Reality.-- El Cid

Ah, if only that were true. Do you really expect me to believe you'd get off Bush's case about the PDB, if it were demonstrated that he had at least one meeting about OBL pre-9/11? I think you're lying.

Until this “culture of fear” is directly challenged as counter-productive and irrational the faux “war on terror” will inevitably lead to more imperialistic actions and self-destructive foreign policy decisions.

We have troops in 130 countries, it's time to bring them home and let the rest of the world fight it out amongst themselves or not.

* No more killing of, or by, Americans.
* Pay off all American debt with the savings.
* The world will love us for leaving them alone.

It is the best of all possible situations.