I don't know anyone much into Obama any more, either. I know one guy who claims "Obama" is the Kenyan word for "bogus."

Overall, Obama's transparent grab for personal riches seems the last straw for many. It was bad enough to be taxed to give huge sums of money to wealthy bankers. Worse to be taxed to give el cheapo loans to crooked speculators so they could buy toxic assets. Even worse to be taxed into a bankrupting future for a fake "stimulus" that mainly delivers pork to the wealthy. As one friend notes, "I don't even know anyone who got cash for a clunker. And that's all we drive is clunkers."

It may not be worst to be forced to buy insurance from corrupt, wealthy insurers. But somehow the indignity of being forced to give cash to the insurance companies, and knowing that money is simply going to end up in the pockets of the same corrupt politicians who forced us to pay it--eh, it's just too much. This isn't belt and suspenders. It's ball and chain.

One friend has revived the W-era idea of going to Canada. He claims it's easier now, because "if you don't have a US passport, you can't come back to the states even if they try to kick you out!"

Oh, Canada. Your right-wing PM smells better than our "socialist" BO.

Of course Obama's coffers are already fantastically full, and the rich, corporate elites, bankers and insurance companies will bankroll him if needed.

But, just out of principle might Dean give it a go, given that Obama has declared war on the poor, the constitution, and "liberals"--all Dean-esque causes that once gave Obama supporters "hope?"

We know that world elites paid the Clintons over $100 million for ending American health care reform, destroying the social safety net, and sending labor, the environment, and the economy into a death spiral with WTO and NAFTA.

How much will this President profit?

The health care industry is an enormous part of the American economy. By forcing millions of Americans, particularly the young, to hand over their paychecks to this obscenely wealthy insurers, with no public option, he will again taxing the not-wealthy to subsidize the wealthy.

What will be Obama's kickback? He's going to hand the insurance companies billions of dollars.

In absolutely no way is this in America's interest.

But, this corruption is obviously in Obama and Emanuel's interest.

Corrupt Obama's manipulative phrase "keep them honest" is sickingly dishonest.

The insurance companies are not honest now, so there is no honesty to keep. Much of their modus operanndi is not even legal by current laws, but they certainly use their phalanx of lawyers to bend the law every way the can. They also buy off politicians to make sure the laws are written in their favor.

And that is exactly what is happening here.

Someone pointed out that there are laws requiring car insurance--as if car insurance companies were angels (we could use a public alternative there, too). But at least you don't have to buy car insurance if you don't own a car. Obama will require that you buy health insurance if you are simply alive.

OK, maybe. But, guess what, you also have to buy the insurance from the same corrupt, greedy, dishonest companies that got us into this problem in the first place. The same corrupt, greedy, dishonest companies that are writing this law. And paying off Obama and the Congress.

How will Obama punish those who resist this evil? Or who have to prioritize other living costs in this anti-worker econonomy and society that Obama is promoting? Who don't get the cash bailouts that Obama has handed to the rich, using our money? Will Obama send resistors to jail? Bankrupt them?

We can't let Obama force us to hand over our discretionary income to the organized crime family called "Health Insurers." At the very least, the very very very least, we need a public option that gives us a platform, at least theoretically, to design the coverage we get. We the people need to understand the true costs of balancing care and risk, and not rely on the inflated charges and "honesty" of the mobster insurance companies who have Obama in their pocket.

I disagree, at least in part, with the characterization of the disenchantment with Obama as a right vs left thing.

EVERYBODY below a certain income level, conservative and liberal alike, is pissed at Obama for giving away our tax money to rich bankers, for nothing in return.

EVERYBODY is worried about being forced to hand over our money to a health care system that seems designed to screw the little guy.

And the definition of "little guy" has become pretty broad post-Clinton/Bush/Obama globalization.

That is the persistent theme of Obama's presidency--at every turn, he selects the option that enriches the wealthy and screws the taxpayer.

No, that's not always his rhetoric, but look what he does in reality. Often, options that would treat less-than-wealthy American equitably (like single payer, or equitably distributed cap and trade credits) are simply excluded from the table. Inevitably the policy choices shift toward the wealthy, with no counterbalance for the not wealthy.

Ignore Limbaugh and the crazies, there are plenty of real people on the right politically who are every bit as pissed off at Obama's unholy alliance with the Insurer Mob as you are.