have you EVER exceeded the speed limit? Eased past a stop sign? Changed lanes without signaling?

Are you readying yourself right now to surrender to the authorities?

"Of course, we spend more time introducing overly broad and unenforceable laws rather than working with parents and teachers who don't know what to do."

I don't know about the former, but the latter is so. I've witnessed parents in all social strata who are clueless about managing kids. And as a former teacher, I've worked alongside clueless teachers. The most effective child managers I've seen employ economical, elegant tactics. There is generally inverse proportionality between bluster and effectiveness.

you're being disingenuous when you assert that you "don't rail about cretins who run red lights."

We all rail about cretin who run red lights...and tailgate...and so on. What we don't do is rail about these things through a Salon column. We limit our railing to the cabin of our vehicle, or, in the cases of those with supreme self-control, the cabin of our thoughts.

My point is that none of us can call any pot black. We're all kettles.

Ms. Lloyd tackled herself in admitting what she admitted. We don't need to pile on or do a victory dance around her prostrate person. We neither need nor are deserving.

P.S. - I like your letters. I'm just tusslin' with ya. Feel free to put me in a half nelson and squeeze.

Wrong. I do know your kids: in proxy. I've worked with tens of thousands of kids. There is nothing kid(s) can do or say that I haven't seen and heard...and can counter.

As I posted earlier, the answers are out there and spanking isn't one of them. Spanking doesn't manifest your mastery, patience, and fortitude as a parent. It reveals your frustration and poverty of options.

Last week, I worked with a group of well-heeled moms and about 150 of their kids. Before the kids entered the room, I told the moms what I was going to do.

"That won't work," one said.

"Not with our kids," another said.

"You don't know our kids," a third said.

Of course, it worked and a few of the moms said things like, "Isn't it amazing what they'll do outside of the home."

That way, they could walk away from what they'd witnessed and not let it trouble them.

But a few came to me and asked if they could carry what they'd seen into the home.

"You bet," I said.

I suggest combining Love and Logic and what the Dog Whisperer does with posture and stance. Love and Logic will teach you the words. Mr. Milano will teach you to apply posture and silence to great effect. Or visit a teacher who controls kids, year after year. Watch. Listen. Ask questions. Change.

The solutions are out there.

She's wicked!

She's funny!

She's wicked funny!

I'm finishing up an Auschwitz book and the fundies keep reminding me of the Nazis that I've been researching. The Nazis said that they weren't safe from the Jews, so what were those poor Nazis cum victims supposed to do, but, but, but...build death camps!

Star Parker recently suggested concentration camps for gay Americans.

As Ms. Lloyd noted so well, there is danger in America's locker rooms: the bigots.

"Hmm did I hit a nerve?"

Yep, you lied. And you lie still about being a kid. Ever heard of the Bible, fundy? The Bible's your inerrant word of God.

One of His big ten is, "Thou Shalt not Lie."

God's rather touchy about fornicators too, so since you're lying about having been a fornicator, I wonder how He feels about you.

Another thing: you probably recite, "With God, all things are possible." When is God going to make the Earth bigger to hold all the babies you want for further overpopulation? When? When? Eh? Huh? When?

Way back in this thread, I also urged parents to watch Cesar Millan. 70ish% of communication is nonverbal. 99% of the time, I can control a kid with my eyes and my posture. Give me a little time and I can control that other 1% with my eyes and posture. If you haven't trained your kid to be polite, you've handicapped your kid. Your recalcitrant kid will garner far less love.

So, fundy, do you know that faith without works means nothing? And do you know that loving one's friends and family means nothing, since even evil people love their friends and family? *

So, your ONLY chance to manifest your faith is with kindness tendered toward strangers. Once again, you pass. The reason this law is being considered is, in part, because of hatemongers like you. You believe that the Prince of Peace wants to you harangue homos (If he'd only had a few more days on Earth, he would have gotten around to the Sermon on the Mount, Part II, where he would have talked about hinging one's vote on homosexuality, even if it meant voting for the Party of Torture and War.). Your agents, in turn, harass GLBT folks and some nights, your agents get drunk and tie gay people to fences or mutilate them with knives.

At least Lady MacBeth had the decency to see that her hands dripped with blood.

* Scource: the Bible

I don't think do-mess-ticity has ever been in a women's dressing room that wasn't regulated with a numbering system.

Here's what you see: heaps of clothing in a corner that someone tried and tossed.

...if the stitching were crude. Perhaps some bloody shards of glass off to the side would better approximate the horror.

And how does one make a rose scream?