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Wednesday, December 10, 2008 06:29 PM
Original article: The born conspiracy

I cannot help but wonder if

Renegade Iconoclast, R. Thompson and Mike Madden are the same person.

They all have the same vector and the same style and the same smell.

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 06:39 PM
Original article: Bush is back!

My dear peBird,

I use a butane torch.

You have to be real quick.

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 06:47 PM

Camille,, take heart!

This post from 10:54 am mysteriously disappeared:

I suspect that the trolls are in fact

[Read the article: What do the Clintons have on Obama?]

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Other Salon writers who do not appreciate having an adult on the staff. None of them get linked from drudge or Huffpo and they are jealous of someone with three digit IQ.

I do disagree with her on Israel's first strike right, but I do not disrespect her.

What label is unfortunately always tied up with misogyny? It sure isn't misandry. Some people REALLY REALLY REALLY do not like women at all.

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Keep on Thunder Perfect Mind.

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 06:54 PM
Original article: The born conspiracy

My dear Renegade Iconoclast,

Ad hominems attached to a mea culpa seldom enhance the effect.

So you back off from the security clearance, good.

You hold onto everything else.

Call me unimpressed with your mea culpa.

Within the first six months of his administration you should be persuaded by your leader's actions to render a full and honest mea culpa.

Until then, sweet dreams.

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 07:12 PM

A scientist and Nobel Prize winner to head up the Energy Department?

I don't know if Americans are ready for an egghead in any government position.

What happened?

Did Sarah Palin turn down the position?

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 08:10 PM

My dear thalightguy,

The current President has said that "the constitution is just a piece of paper" and SCOTUS has already subverted the constitution and the election process in 2000 and both parties and the MSM are determined to ridicule, lie, stonewall and BS this issue away.

On the bright side, it will be good for the war business, the surveillance business and the prison business. Now if he can only get the transit systems to run on time.

Stupid liberals and progressives voted for a fascist to save us from McCain who didn't even want or try to win.

Anyone who votes for Democrats or Republicans really has contempt for democracy and the constitution.

Wednesday, December 10, 2008 08:43 PM
Original article: The born conspiracy

The definition of "natural born citizens" as understood by the founding fathers

THE

LAW OF NATIONS

OR

PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW OF NATURE APPLIED TO THE CONDUCT AND AFFAIRS OF

NATIONS AND SOVEREIGNS

FROM THE FRENCH OF

MONSIEUR DE VATTEL.

1758

CHAP. XIX.

OF OUR NATIVE COUNTRY, AND SEVERAL THINGS THAT RELATE TO IT.

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

§ 215. Children of citizens born in a foreign country.

It is asked whether the children born of citizens in a foreign country are citizens? The laws have decided this question in several countries, and their regulations must be followed.(59) By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot, of itself, furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him; I say "of itself," for, civil or political laws may, for particular reasons, ordain otherwise. But I suppose that the father has not entirely quitted his country in order to settle elsewhere. If he has fixed his abode in a foreign country, he is become a member of another society, at least as a perpetual inhabitant; and his children will be members of it also.

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§ 212. Citizens and natives.

"The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens."

Parents, not parent. Both parents must be citizens in order to convey natural born status.

§ 215. Children of citizens born in a foreign country.

"By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers, and enter into all their rights (§ 212); the place of birth produces no change in this particular, and cannot, of itself, furnish any reason for taking from a child what nature has given him;

Obama's father was a Kenyan. The child follows the condition of their father's - Obama is a citizen of Kenya by virtue of his father being Kenyan.

CLICK ON NAME FOR SOURCE OF THE LAW OF NATIONS.

McCain is natural born due to being born of military parents but who cares.

http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_01.htm

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