After Sept 11. morae than 60 Israeli military were arrested and failed polys. Investigators say that while they were not directly involved-they'd gathered intel on the attacks and not shared. Then:

"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified".

So no one can even talk about the evidence.

-Prior to 9-11 an Israeli group in NC was in the US to spy on a group of Arabs with links to terrorism.

Why would Israel spy in and on the US?

according to one intel company: "the govt. of Country A (Israel)conducts a most aggressive espionage operation against the US. the Israelis are motivated by strong survival instincts which dictate every posssible facet of thier political and economic policies.It aggressively collects military and industrial technology-and the US is a high-priority target."

After 9-11, investigators say they(Israel) may have stayed ahead of US intel by knowing who and when investigators were calling. How?

By obtaining and analyzing data generated everytime a phone call is made in the US-Most directory ass.calls,ALL call records, and billing in the US are done for the US by an Israeli company called Amdocs Ltd.(in Israel. It has contracts with over 25 of the biggest phone companies (more now)in the US-and even more worldwide.It is impossible to make a call w/o Amdocs making a record of.

In 99, a secret intel company in Maryland issued a warning in a TS/SCI report, saying records of calls were getting into foreign hands-in Israel.They did not think records were being listened to-but data about who called and when-plus datamining.US intel feared it could fall into organized crime hands. In 97 an LA Israeli drug ring was tipped off, having the records of all of the officers and feds(call)before the sting occurred from inside knowledge.

Another company Comverse Infosys-a subsidiary of an Israeli private telecom-provides wiretapping equip. for law enforcement. It works this way:

Everytime you make a call it passes thru switches and routers run by phone companies. Computers and software are tied into that network to intercept, record, and store wiretapped calls. This was authorized by the 94 CALEA ( Commun. Ass. for Law Enforcement Act).Officials say while it made wiretapping easier, it created a system vulnerable to compromise. Any attempts to test the system by US officials has been blocked.

DEA,INS,FBI told Fox News that to even suggest Israeli spying by Comverse is considered career suicide.

On Oct 18-AG Ashcroft, Mueller were warned of the dangers of US intel being compromised..

my thoughts:(wonder if that's when Ashcroft got sick)..

This was all collected by 4 separate Fox News, Brit Hume investigations-then scrubbed from the Fox site and archives after 9-11.

Harmon is tied in with AIPAC-is she not? This would explain AIPAC,ADL, the GOP, the neocon(and Israel-firsters)---need to try to hide all of this info from the US public. It appears our intel has been seriously compromised by Israel-com companies who put thier own security above the US'.

On further notes:the ADL was accused in 93 of spying in San Fran., A Chicago Jewish group has also been investigated and B'Nai B'rith.there is also the Pollard case and the Larry Franklin case--which collectively show how aggressive Israel has been in spying on the US.

I think I stated in my letter if you'd read that it came from Fox News-Brit Hume. A 4 part series.

Good try with the David Duke-anti-semite crap though...

Don't even try that subterfuge "sand in the face" argument" again though-

Free country-needs to be discussed.

I have no problem with Israel or Jews-I DO have a problem with Jews like Likuds or Mossad who think it's the US responsiblity to protect them, while they go and instigate attacks on their neighbors,or violate the treaties they sign, or even goad us into a war (to protect them).

The US should not have to comply with being blackmailed-especially by an ally.

another note LWM-the neocon movement was started by a group called the NY intellectuals after the coldwar. They were vehemently anti-communism, thinking it the US role to spread democracy(be it by the barrel of a gun..)

Podhertz was one of them, Trilling another-they mostly worked for Jewish-owned magazines as writers and therefore developed an Israel-first mentality when it came to US policy (although they lived and were US citizens).They started off being liberal-then became radical Israel-firsters,being called "neocons"..

Sorry: Pollard, Franklin, the arrest of many Israelis after 9-11 make it more "mainstream news that is trying to be covered up"-than conspiracy theory.

The Telecom immunize vote by Harman/Rock. is just more evidence of that and what is being hidden-even from our own intel.

I find myself even agreeing with Shooters last comment.

Surely you have reached that 25% comment limit that I thought bebop has?

Let's see you've tried the anti-semite-David Duke argument to no avail--so now you say I'm "off the rails"?

Yet, when I've read the post-it was about what Harman and Rockefeller knew about torture, and other things..

So I'm assuming/or not those other things these 2 may have known about was Israeli involvement in these Telecom wiretapping, by Israeli companies like Comverse and Amdocs-and why they would be so reluctant to hand over American 4th Amendment rights..

Guess I'm just a little "touchy" about having my rights stripped away by neocons and Blue Dogs and would like to find out why and who is doing it.

Silly me.

Sorry but just cause you like to spam to your hearts content on anything and everything as stupid as weather patterns and rainfall amounts to prove a point over someone who lives/d there-is the height of imbecility in the "off the rails"argument.