I disagree with your assertion that communism is needed to save from fascism.

Communism is an idealogy that seeks to establish a classless, stateless social organization based on common ownership of the means of production (workers, slaves)...

Those in charge are called 'proletariats" -as Orwells' 1984 reference of "proles".

Silence maybe you think it is communism that saved us-due to the fact that the US recruited many Societ communists into this country (Russian Jews)during WWII.There was Project VENONA. Alger Hiss and Klaus Fuchs who were convicted as a result from it. The Soviets had just developed the A-bomb, something the US desperately wanted to get thier hands on. (Wasn't Kissinger an agent(spy) during this time also-(possible when US recruited him)).

But what many of these men of Russian Jewish decent who were recruited-were marxists/communists. Obviously coming to the the US didn't change that. In fact, it seemed to just make them more paranoid after the deaths of other Jews at Hitlers' hands-they still did not assimilate in the US-and instead continued to only trust those of the same "bloodlines" and heritage-and communism. An understandable thing, until the paranoia of these events took hold in a deep tribalism and disrespect for others' religions, intellect, heritage,political beliefs....in the US.They became elitists who fed off their own aggrandizement of each other. So they held onto these communists ideals-even while living here in the US.

It was a woman named Elizabeth Bentley who was working for the US when her cover was blown by someone inside the US govt (to the Russians). So it seems the US was beginning to see some 'blowback" from recruiting these Russian Jewish spies-who had thier own agenda and ax to grind-even if it meant sabotauging US efforts.

Back to Bentley-she was on the case of exposing some of those "double"agents as part of the Silvermaster ring. the FBI had files of communist penetration of Federal govt. during the Cold War. Under FDR- an Admin Ass who worked for him by the name of Lauchlin Currie-was named on this file of communist agents. So was Harry Dexter White-Sec. of Treasury. as was Wm Donovan-Office of Strategic Srevices. Then there was the Ware Group, which alger Hiss was a member. 10 were named as Soviet agents that had inflitrated the US govt. and were giving up US secrets to enemies.

(taking a break for now-didn't want to hog the thread-I'll come back to wrap my point up.)

Getting back to the Silvermaster files:

Joe McCarthy came onto the scene after the Silvermaster file and Bentleys' cover being blown by someone inside the US govt.

The govt. had essentially nothing now-to prosecute the infiltration of communists into the US govt.

McCarthy got hold of a letter that Sec. of State James Byrnes had sent to Adolph Sabath. In this letter, 205 people were named as working inside the State Dept.were actually communists.Some dispute the number at 57 as what McCarthy said.The number 205 is traced abck to Byrnes' letter-which stated that state Dept. Security investigations had turned up "rec. against permanent employment" for 284 persons-but ONLY 79 had been removed form thier posts-leaving 205 still on the State Dept payroll. McCarthy said he did not have the names of the 205 (because of the Silverstein file being blown open)-but did have the names of the 57 who were loyal communists.

By the time this letter with 57 names was brought forward in the Tydings Committee 4 yrs later-the names were outdated.

The Tydings com. findings went nowhere.

In 38-44 (HUAC) the House had committees chaired by sm Dickstein (himself named a s a Soviet spy)and Martin Dies.

This was also when the Hollywood 10 (and large portions of the media were investigated for being sympathetic to communism) was charged with Contemept of Congress.

In 1951 a second investigation of Communism was launched by the HUAC. Lionel Stander testified:

"I know a group of ex-fascists, america-firsters,people who hate everything including negroes, minority groups and most likely, themselves. These people are engaged in a conspiracy outside all of the very fundamental American concepts upon which our entire system of democracy exists".

More HUAC case came about in the 60s with the investigations of the Yippies. (By this time it was a case of many pro-marxists politicians to be calling any "yippies" or thiose who went against their ideals" as communists. I guess by this time-these pro-communist-pro-Marxists men were calling themselves "Neocons"- very ironic twist.)

In the 90s, an ex-Marxist who worked for ADL, was operating out of a UN office was identified as spying in San Francisco.

Irwin Suall gave testimony that his organization had 1 million memebers worldwide-and had infiltrated many govts. and had spied. I think it was the HUAC that investigated the case-but by them it was a case of "the fox guarding the henhouse".............

Going back over history since WWII-it is very obvious now that much of the news and media outlets had been propagandized to keep the public from finding the truth about the political affiliations-communist/fascist leanings of many neocons in politics today.

Maybe McCarthy was not the villian history has painted him to be-and maybe-he was really onto something profound about Communist infiltration.

A witchhunt?

Maybe only to those guilty-and so in control of the media.

Went back and reread Silenced first comments-but I'm still not sure of what he/or she is saying.

"Communism saved the world from the Nazis. The Americans only saved Europe".

Silence appears to be talking about specific battles with the Russians/Nazis-as he/she makes references to the book he/she has just read-but does not not elaborate on the specifics of the comment "Communism saved the world from the Nazis". I have not read the book silenced has,so I cannot presume to know where the statement came from.

Perhaps silenced will come back to explain what the basis for such comments are to share.

I am confused and would just like more clarification- as others are too.